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Is the Canadian election hitting your news, in any form, at all? Just curious.

Date: 2004-06-23 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bartok.livejournal.com
this is the most I found on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/06/19/canada.politics.reut/index.html

on FOXNEWS.com I found nothing about the election, but I did find this:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122789,00.html

this was on bbc.co.uk:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3826599.stm

Date: 2004-06-23 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c9.livejournal.com
You're disqualified since you live in Canada. Remember what Elections Canada says: the Internet is not allowed to convey information about elections.

(not entirely true; they actually wanted to prevent election *results* from hitting the internet ahead of the closing of western polls. But this year, that's all changing. I wonder if that will have any effect?)

Date: 2004-06-23 06:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nihilicious.livejournal.com
I think, to be safe, they should ban the Internet from containing any "information" whatsoever. From here on in, just porn, blogs, and comics about dinosaurs.

Date: 2004-06-23 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c9.livejournal.com
Comics involving dinosaurs and humans living at the same time, specifically. Stockwell Day needs something to read, and it has the bonus of imparting only false information.

Date: 2004-06-23 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nihilicious.livejournal.com
Done.

(This is my favourite comic ever.)

Date: 2004-06-23 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bartok.livejournal.com
that comic is so worth it for the line "The realization that I've had a homosexual affair with the Utahraptor THAT I CANNOT REMEMBER AT LL profoundly disturbs me." alone.

Date: 2004-06-23 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nihilicious.livejournal.com
I really do find it a brilliant comic. I'm a little sad I shared it because I wanted it to be special to me. Plus, to steal its humour and pass it off as my own.

Date: 2004-06-23 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bartok.livejournal.com
no, we would have noticed you suddenly becoming amusing.

Date: 2004-06-23 06:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kdborg.livejournal.com
The staggered voting hours helps with keeping the vote secret. However, Atlantic Canada's polls will close 2 hours before much of Canada. B.C.'s polls close 30 minutes after that. For the most part, 30 minutes isn't enough time to count the ballots at most polling stations. The only real vote results will be Atlantic Canada's that everyone will see before polls close elsewhere. That might influence some voters and cause a rush at the polls out West.

The result in Atlantic Canada does have the potential to influence voters. That is unfortunate. The influence could pit regions against each other more than they are.

My own preference is to keep the results secret until everyone has voted. Elections Canada is most likely looking into ways to keep things secret. I'd suggest holding the results in the East until everyone in the West has voted. It would also provide for more convenient voting hours for those out West.

Date: 2004-06-23 06:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c9.livejournal.com
Courts have held that it's illegal to hold the results, if I recall correctly. But yeah, slightly more staggered voting hours might help. It's tricky having six time zones in one country, I don't think anyone else has to deal with that (maybe Russia?)

Date: 2004-06-23 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kdborg.livejournal.com
The hours of voting are staggered and normalized to Eastern Time here (12 hours of voting):

Newfoundland:   8:30 Local  7:00 ET
Atlantic Time:  8:30 Local  7:30 ET
Eastern Time:   9:30 Local  9:30 ET
Central Time:   8:30 Local  9:30 ET
Mountain Time:  7:30 Local  9:30 ET
Pacific Time:   7:00 Local 10:00 ET

During Daylight Savings, Saskatchewan gets split up.  Those parts in Central Time would be (7:30 Local, 9:30 ET) and Mountain Time would be (7:00 Local, 10:00 ET).  (Hope I got the Daylight Savings to Eastern Time correct.) 


Ignoring Atlantic Canada for the moment, 30 minutes is barely enough time to count most polling stations, let alone the time to get the results out to the media so that someone could use them.

If the courts have held that it's illegal to hold the results, Elections Canada would probably move Atlantic Canadians voting hours later in the day, say to line up with 9:30 ET).

Date: 2004-06-23 07:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ratonil.livejournal.com
Wow that's complicated. I wonder if in Canada you have exit polls.

Date: 2004-06-23 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kdborg.livejournal.com
The broadcasters may take them to get a sense of what voters are thinking, but claim they don't rely on them for election night predictions. This seems true since many results can come in before the broadcasters call it.

I'm working at a polling station election night (in Atlantic Canada). I should be home long before the bulk of Canada's polls close. I remember one time getting home and having the election declared based on the results in Atlantic Canada. We're not back to those days.

Last election, CTV had a system online that automatically updated. It was a nice system and expect them to have it up again. It's going to be a late night for me!

Date: 2004-06-23 07:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kdborg.livejournal.com
...oh yes: Saskatchewan doesn't do the Daylight Savings thing, that's why it looks more complicated.

Date: 2004-06-23 07:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ratonil.livejournal.com
Well this is a good reason to live in a country with only one time zone :)

Are you a journalist?

Date: 2004-06-23 08:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kdborg.livejournal.com
I'm going to be a Poll Clerk on election day. Plus, I've always been interested in the process.

Once I get a job again, I'll be a software developer again.

Date: 2004-06-23 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bartok.livejournal.com
however I actually read through some pages at FOXNEWS. I feel that's worth something...

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