Missile Defence

[c9]

Well, Jack Layton dared to ask Bush about the weaponization of space. And Paul Martin dithered about it as usual. But really, who is anybody kidding? It's going to happen. Want proof? Weaponization of space is already under development. Just ask the contractors!

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[disasternat.livejournal.com]

Hey that's not the point, you are missing the point entirely! Layton asked and has brought to the attention of the Canadian public something that I can qwith confidence say the majority fo Canadians are morally against!

Paul Martin, and now Scott Brison of all people, has publically said that Canada will more than likely be involved in this Ballistic Missle Defence system - That scares me, because its pretty much handing out soverignty over to the Americas.

No one is suggesting that Layton was naieve about the subject. Far from that - what he is saying when he challenges Martin on the issue is that he is doing something that FAR from the mandate of our military, and totally far from the values of the majority fo Canadians. I don't think you can justify it, we in Canada do not believe in pre-emptive strikes, we do not believe in the proliferation of nuclear and sub-nuclear war heads... especially ESPECIALLY on and over our own Country!

Martin however is not allowing the people of Canada to decide on such an issue.. if he was truly a Prime Minister of the people something as important as this would go to a vote be it National Referendum or at least an open vote in the House of COmmons.. it is not Canadian to support a Ballistic Missle Defence system, especially an American one that has YET to be proven to actually work.

[disasternat.livejournal.com]

I might add that I will not support this project with my tax dollars until it can be justified as a working, able system that will actually do anything.

I do not believe that it makes sense to build weapons on the idea that you MIGHT need them - that's scary! And I will not and do not support Martin's decision to go blindly into this when he has more important things such as ensuring our Health Care System survives, our Education system is taken care of and the issues with the provinces are dealt with - before he goes running to join this idiotic war the United States is currently fighting and planning to fight in the future

[c9.livejournal.com]

Sadly, you don't get to decide where your tax dollars go. You can vote out the government, but you can't decide until you're in the PMO. It does suck quite a bit.

Interesting devil's advocacy point: we build (well, buy) lots of weapons on the premise that we might need them. Our entire military, for example, is not supported solely by current peacekeeping and search-and-rescue operations, there are other potential needs that we prepare for (with too little money, in many cases) that are just 'maybe' situations. How is this different?

And please note: devil's advocacy. I'm not actually promoting the above view.

[disasternat.livejournal.com]

Oh I agree with you on that.. but there's a point where buying weapons or having the built in such a mass scale is beyond any pre-emptive need.

A military should have adequate weapons and that's why I support funding the military so that they aren't driving around the desert in green uniforms and the such. However, I think that building a HUGE and it is HUGE Contienant wide Missle Defense System is beyond any need...

There is not country in the world today that could launch a missle that could travel across the ocean and hit the U.S. North Korea is not a problem - and i really do not think that they are going to be a problem (but please try to prove me wrong). I jsut think that the large amount of money that is going to be spent on something such as this, a program that has been tested and has failed each test is wrong and Canada shouldn't be involved..

I'm glad you aren't promoting the above view, though if you were it would make for a great over coffee discussion the next time you are in Halifax.

[c9.livejournal.com]

Holy crap, Nat, chill. You're in full attack mode these days.

1. I never said anything negative about Jack Layton. I said he "dared" -- meaning he was willing to do something that others were not. I think that's a good thing.

2. I said negative things about Paul Martin: "dithered as usual." You make it sound like I was negative towards Layton and supporting Martin.

3. I never suggested that BMD is a good thing, only that it's going to happen. I didn't suggest Canadians have agreed, nor that we would.

[disasternat.livejournal.com]

I apologize about that - I'm PMSing the past week or so.

I don't know Cam, I just felt as if you could be leaning towards it.. that's the feeling I got when I read your post.

[c9.livejournal.com]

I wasn't making a point about Canada at all, but that's the area that is of concern to you. We were just talking about different things.

[disasternat.livejournal.com]

I guess we were... I see my wrong.. Though everything I said I truly believe :D I will not back down on that!

Of course the U.S. has already started putting weapons in space or are planning for it. I think that its stupid to suggest otherwise. However, I still think that in Canada we are at the point where we have the option to not provide funding or be invovled. I guess thats all I was trying to say! But when I get on a soap box such as the internet...

Either way its bad bad bad... :D

[nihilicious.livejournal.com]

I have lots to say on this issue (I always do.)

But I really want to question your statement "... and now Scott Brison of all people ..."

This is the second reference I've heard you make to him. You act as if he's not some virulent right-wing nut job. Which he is, on most issues. If it weren't for the pillow-biting, he'd be right at home in the Conservative party.

[disasternat.livejournal.com]

I just like Scott that's all! Though you are absolutely right he is a right wing nut job! I just have this sense that he could be better than that, however he has proven time and time again that he is not above these things...