Questions & Answers
Jan. 19th, 2015 10:13 amI was recently asked to provide evidence for transit-related claims I've heard from many people for many years, and that I have also shared in public meetings I've facilitated with the TTC and Metrolinx. Since I like having the facts and sources, and sharing information to make the conversation around transit better, here's the results.
Question 1: "LRT actually encourages retail development more than subways." Evidence?
This is taken as a given by many – it’s been said or confirmed to me, in person, by multiple planners working at TTC, Metrolinx, and Toronto’s Chief Planner’s office. But it’s good to check, so I decided to take a look. First, the base: Transit-Oriented Development, what that means and what it does:
I’m not a trained and certified planner and I happily defer to their expertise in this area. I would suggest, for those interested, a review of costs for underground versus surface transit, and how that may also play a part in what those experts recommend.
Question 2: "Both Sheppard and Bloor-Danforth subways have developed less than projected." Evidence?
This is another thing that is taken as a given and mentioned a lot, but more facts = better decisions, so let's check:
34,000 x 6 x 52 = 10.6M
40,000 x 6 x 52 = 12.5M
Ridership in 2014 was 50,000 according to the TTC's presentation to the Board in December 2014: http://coderedto.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/20141209_CEO_Presentation_Board_Report.pdf
50,000 x 6 x 52 = 15.6M
So ridership has now, 11 years late, reached the low end of the 2002 projections made during 2001.
But that question is also about condo and employment development, not ridership growth, so let's look at that. A report (which I have not personally read and would love to, hint hint) from a few years ago helps with the numbers: (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2012/02/15/james_the_ttc_subway_report_mayor_rob_ford_doesnt_want_you_to_read.html )
What about Bloor-Danforth? That one is simpler. It's been open almost 50 years, and there are more tall buildings on Sheppard than there are on most of Bloor and Danforth (outside the core of course). I'm comfortable assuming it's below what would have been projected under similar planning approaches. Note that in this case ridership is higher due to the extensive bus feeder system, which is key throughout much of the TTC network.
So, there's some evidence and details and reading for anyone interested in discussing this stuff honestly.
I wholeheartedly support all modes of transit (bus, BRT, streetcar, LRT, subway, commuter rail) in appropriate places at appropriate times. I honestly explain the pros and cons of each when I facilitate public meetings with councillors, or when I meet with legislators in person. The 100% unpaid work I do, and the money I spend to print stuff to help make complicated topics more clear so others can decide for themselves what they prefer, is just because I kinda like this city and think it would be neat if more of it has better transit options. More options, improved transit, for more riders, sooner.
If you have any links to info or reports on these topics please feel free to point me to them. I really would love to see contradictory evidence, as the math and the facts matter more for rational transit planning than whether we build shiny thing A or shiny thing B.
if you have claims, but no links, you can hang on to those - I have plenty already.
Question 1: "LRT actually encourages retail development more than subways." Evidence?
This is taken as a given by many – it’s been said or confirmed to me, in person, by multiple planners working at TTC, Metrolinx, and Toronto’s Chief Planner’s office. But it’s good to check, so I decided to take a look. First, the base: Transit-Oriented Development, what that means and what it does:
- Transit oriented development case studies: http://www.epa.gov/dced/pdf/phoenix-sgia-case-studies.pdf (includes examples of retail, but encouraged by community development corps)
- TOD literature review from 2002: http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/tcrp_rrd_52.pdf (includes multiple examples of retail being included in large developments)
- Same report, p39: 30% premium for retail development for LRT, but research was scarce in 2002 and inconsistent results mean we shouldn’t accept that 30%.
- Same report, multiple spots: many other examples of how TOD means pedestrian-friendly areas, and information about the impact zones of LRT stops (as they are closer together, for example), though the impact zone concept applies to any stop providing reliable, predictable transit service.
- 2011 report on LRT impact: “LRT attracts transit-oriented development, including housing, retail, and other commercial development.” http://coderedto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/LRT-Poverty-briefing-Oct-2011.pdf
- 2013 report on rail (not LRT exclusively) shows inconsistent results by city on retail employment density: http://www.metrans.org/sites/default/files/research-project/11-04_Schuetz_final_0_0.pdf (2014 recording of presentation by that report’s author: http://smartgrowth.umd.edu/ancSchuetz )
- Ontario govt urban form case studies: https://www.placestogrow.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=172&Itemid=26
- Ontario govt built form guidelines: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/transit/supportive-guideline/specialized-uses.shtml
- Land-Use Impacts of Urban Rail Systems: http://jpl.sagepub.com/content/11/1/17.short
I’m not a trained and certified planner and I happily defer to their expertise in this area. I would suggest, for those interested, a review of costs for underground versus surface transit, and how that may also play a part in what those experts recommend.
Question 2: "Both Sheppard and Bloor-Danforth subways have developed less than projected." Evidence?
This is another thing that is taken as a given and mentioned a lot, but more facts = better decisions, so let's check:
- 2001 Feb: Sheppard subway predicted to carry 30m riders per year (no target year given): http://transit.toronto.on.ca/archives/data/200102281249.shtml
- 2001 July: Sheppard subway projected to carry 15m riders in year one: http://m.obj.ca/Other/Archives/2001-07-17/article-2160443/Sheppard-subway-on-schedule,-but-expected-to-lose-money/1
- For comparison, ridership after the line had been open for 5-10 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheppard_line#Ridership
34,000 x 6 x 52 = 10.6M
40,000 x 6 x 52 = 12.5M
Ridership in 2014 was 50,000 according to the TTC's presentation to the Board in December 2014: http://coderedto.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/20141209_CEO_Presentation_Board_Report.pdf
50,000 x 6 x 52 = 15.6M
So ridership has now, 11 years late, reached the low end of the 2002 projections made during 2001.
But that question is also about condo and employment development, not ridership growth, so let's look at that. A report (which I have not personally read and would love to, hint hint) from a few years ago helps with the numbers: (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2012/02/15/james_the_ttc_subway_report_mayor_rob_ford_doesnt_want_you_to_read.html )
- "Planners projected 64,000 added jobs would come to the North York Centre, near Yonge and Sheppard, between 1986 and 2011. In fact, as of 2006, employment had grown by only 800 jobs over the two decades."
- Note that the forecasts may have assumed the full original design length for the Sheppard subway, not the short version that was funded, so the next line in that same piece should be ignored: "Scarborough Centre, at McCowan and Highway 401, was forecast to grow by 50,000 jobs. Figures for 2006 reveal a net loss of 700 jobs."
- "The office building market disappeared, taking jobs with it. Condos sprang up where offices were slated. Condos bring people, but they don’t necessarily take the subway to work because they work all over the GTA." Note that some of the most congested intersections in Toronto are along Sheppard where cars try to access Highway 401. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/05/08/toronto_identifies_top_10_most_congested_intersections.html
- "There are more than 30 per cent fewer jobs than envisioned [city-wide]."
- "Sheppard, even if built out to the Scarborough City Centre, will top out at 6,000 to 10,000 riders per peak hour," the report says.
- Population growth alone will not generate sufficient ridership to justify a [Sheppard] subway [extension]
- Commercial office development generates 4 to 5 times more transit ridership than an equivalent amount of residential floor area
What about Bloor-Danforth? That one is simpler. It's been open almost 50 years, and there are more tall buildings on Sheppard than there are on most of Bloor and Danforth (outside the core of course). I'm comfortable assuming it's below what would have been projected under similar planning approaches. Note that in this case ridership is higher due to the extensive bus feeder system, which is key throughout much of the TTC network.
So, there's some evidence and details and reading for anyone interested in discussing this stuff honestly.
I wholeheartedly support all modes of transit (bus, BRT, streetcar, LRT, subway, commuter rail) in appropriate places at appropriate times. I honestly explain the pros and cons of each when I facilitate public meetings with councillors, or when I meet with legislators in person. The 100% unpaid work I do, and the money I spend to print stuff to help make complicated topics more clear so others can decide for themselves what they prefer, is just because I kinda like this city and think it would be neat if more of it has better transit options. More options, improved transit, for more riders, sooner.
If you have any links to info or reports on these topics please feel free to point me to them. I really would love to see contradictory evidence, as the math and the facts matter more for rational transit planning than whether we build shiny thing A or shiny thing B.
if you have claims, but no links, you can hang on to those - I have plenty already.