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c9 ([personal profile] c9) wrote2006-03-09 10:58 am

Require Grammar SS

"I own over 300 CDs" or "I own over 300 CD's" ?

Explain your answer.

[identity profile] jdhorner.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:05 am (UTC)(link)
CDs for the love of god.

it's not possessive.

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:07 am (UTC)(link)
I agree of course, just doing a survey. I erase apostrophes on whiteboards and blackboards at work, restuarants and bars. People look at me funny. Then I say "Vinny, stop looking at me funny."

[identity profile] jdhorner.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
it's like saying

the 1980's

or

on people's mailboxes: the Smith's

argh!

[identity profile] rebelprince26.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
i know! god. it's one of my biggest pet peeves!

[identity profile] ex-thrasymac191.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:28 am (UTC)(link)
Those are called greengrocers' apostrophes.

[identity profile] jdhorner.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:15 am (UTC)(link)
of course, we could also argue context:

i bought some CDs today.

--

i can't find the CD's cover.

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:16 am (UTC)(link)
True. You assumed the correct context. I'll update.

[identity profile] halimattfax.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:25 am (UTC)(link)
But aren't acronyms done the same way as when referring to single letters.

Like you'd write there are two A's in the word 'Annual' and not two As.

I think it's CD's.

:P

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
You are correct on the letters example, but incorrect on the acronyms.

http://tranchant.plus.com/notes/apostrophe

[identity profile] halimattfax.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, are you referring me to 'mark's web site' to show me I'm incorrect??

'Cause if you are I will google a site that indicates I am correct.


:D

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
If you *read* the page, you'll see the topic of acronyms is explained. :)

[identity profile] halimattfax.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:51 am (UTC)(link)
Well sparknotes (http://www.sparknotes.com/writing/style/topic_21.html) says it can be either way. The Internet is clearly confused.

The New York Times seems to write CD's... who's Mark again?

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:54 am (UTC)(link)
Well of course it really comes down to that same old argument, prescriptive or descriptive language. What people actually do is correct, it doesn't matter what the dictionary (or the NYT :) does.

For acronyms, I believe the prescriptive answer is that no apostrophe is correct in English, and I find it surprising that the Times would have it otherwise in their style guide. But people do use it both ways, so it really doesn't matter in the real world.

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
Also, having a fight over how many websites say one answer over another won't get us anywhere. But if it would I would totally win.

[identity profile] halimattfax.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
LOL

[identity profile] rebelprince26.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
he is? i would still write two As

hmmm, maybe not, now that i look at it.

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
I prefer your method of no apostrophe, especially with capital letters. But that is one area where I don't actually know the truly correct usage.

[identity profile] purplemartini.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
Here's a good one for you. If car belongs to the Steeves family do you write "this is the Steeves' car?" or "this is the Steeves's Car?" or even more rediculously "this is the Steeveses car?"

It's my damn name and I don't know how to do the plural possessive!

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
Steeves' Car: one family, one car.
Steeveses' Car: two families sharing ownership of one car.

:)

[identity profile] cap-hill-latte.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 09:40 am (UTC)(link)
That was actually the question posed in an article of last month's Atlantic. Apparently, the correct answer is "Steeves's" unless the word following it begins with an s". But I think that looks silly, so I vote "Steeves'".

[identity profile] simplisticton.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
I always use "Steeves's". The apostrophe dangling at the end of "Steeves'" makes me nervous.

[identity profile] heartovmidnight.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
CDs. It isn't CD is ...

[identity profile] nihilicious.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
CDs. The only time an apostrophe is used in a plural is to avoid clear confusion, such as "A's" and "I's" ("As" and "Is" already being words.)

[identity profile] ratonil.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
Cds. Cd's implies possession.

[identity profile] lifein2x3.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 10:54 am (UTC)(link)
I own more than 300 CDs. "Over" implies a spatial relationship.

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 10:56 am (UTC)(link)
LOL - I'll remember that.

[identity profile] nihilicious.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 11:43 am (UTC)(link)
Please don't. It's a pretend rule that has no real principle supporting it. It ignored the fact that "over" has a metaphoical sense. Most style manuals have abandoned it.

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
I was just being polite -- the chances of me remembering it are fairly low.

[identity profile] nihilicious.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
"Metaphoical" is my own special word, by the way. :)

[identity profile] cap-hill-latte.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I bet you still remember the "fewer" v. "less" rule though. People tend to learn more when they're drunk. :-p.

(Which I've now decided to stop harping on as one of my Buddhist resolutions.)

[identity profile] primary-suspect.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 12:40 pm (UTC)(link)
When did you become Buddhist? Did I miss a posting? I think this is the second time you refer to Buddhism but I never saw the genesis of it.

I was recently reminded of the "fewer" vs "less" rule. ;-)

[identity profile] simplisticton.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
Both are wrong.

According to the RIAA, you don't own the CDs. You're mearly licensing the performance contained therein.

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
"merely"

Touché!

[identity profile] simplisticton.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Smartarse. :)

wait a minute...

[identity profile] benjidacruick.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
what is a CD? is that a new form of mp3?

Re: wait a minute...

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-09 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Funniest comment so far.

[identity profile] adamdavid85.livejournal.com 2006-03-10 07:36 am (UTC)(link)
Cam, did you read "Eats, Shoots & Leaves" recently by any chance?

[identity profile] c9.livejournal.com 2006-03-10 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
I did not, but I intend to one of these days. I love the cover.